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Post by Midnight on Dec 21, 2014 1:17:49 GMT
I'm flying the Attack Helicopter (of course) with Ozost and Illusion kills me with a tank from the shore of A flag but further back in base a little as I'm flying back to E flag across the body of water. So when my friend and I spawn, we go and kill him and he calls baserape. I coincidentally took the same route back to E flag about 2-3 minutes later and I hear another tank shell go right past me and we go back and kill them and it was Illusion and Chosenone in the only 2 tanks, same spot, everything. I could tell it was them because of their camos and emblems on their tanks and the fact that they were sitting right next to each other camping A to rack up easy kills. I had no problems with chosenone - he didn't claim baserape and he didn't say anything at all, just Illusion. We discuss it as being unreasonable throughout the entire match, I make some jokes when I clearly kill him on a flag or somewhere else on the map and I say "BASERAPE?" several times and finally he kicks me for "spamming the chat". He also defined the "baserape" line as the "infantry line" or some building landmark I can't remember what he said exactly, but I told him that was nowhere to be posted on either the server or on here as far as I know, and that he made that up on the spot just to have an excuse to admin kill me. I don't have video proof of what he said or did, but I know several people that were there who will say the exact same thing: MyCampGround, Ozost, and Hyeproud. It's honestly saddening to know that he is given admin rights and can't give a justifiably correct reason to admin kill and kick someone from the server, and that that is considered "new management". Also, this is the thread where you got me cleared off the ban list and I confirmed with you where the "baserape" line is since I was gone for a while and I've been abiding by it ever since, even in this situation. ptserver.boards.net/thread/12/midnight-hha-ban |
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Post by ozost on Dec 21, 2014 1:46:11 GMT
I can confirm what Midnight says, Illusion initially shot out of base near shore, but still far from A, at us and killed our AH. We spawned back in and killed him when he was still in base, but he was shooting out which denies him baserape protection. He claimed baserape and we denied it, later on during another pass illusion and chosen were still shooting out so Midnight and I killed them again. Immediately after this Midnight and I both get Admin killed. Of course Midnight and I weren't happy about this so later when we killed Illusion we would ask whether or not that was baserape. Later on when Midnight and I were discussing with Illusion how that was not baserape he kicked us for spamming chat. I don't believe anyone was cussing at each other or making overly hostile comments other aside from some kid calling due to the argument, we were just discussing how it was not baserape. I am not overly upset about getting killed twice by him, once from Illusion shooting out and again from admin kill. What I am upset about is that Illusion is the single admin I ever see on the PT shanghai server which complains and talks about shooting out of base, and he does it and then lies about it and then even kicks Midnight and me from the server.
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Post by Admin on Dec 21, 2014 5:28:44 GMT
I will look thru some of the chat logs to see what was said, i can filter the chat by player name etc. so i will see who said what, im pretty fed up with the reports of admin abuse, i only made him admin because i believed he was mature, new admin reform coming again is what i see.
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Post by Midnight on Dec 21, 2014 6:01:16 GMT
I can assure you that we told you as much as we could remember, as accurate as possible. I tried my best to remain calm and not resort to name-calling, I admit I was getting frustrated later on with his failure to realize that what he did was unreasonable. I 2v2 against Illusion occasionally when Extantify isn't there to gun for Slotted and I never really had a problem with him or anyone else from PT in a while until today. Just the other day another helicopter pilot was seat-switching TV'ing from his base at me so I decided to fire back at him and Illusion or Extantify admin killed the person TV seat-switching at me, so I thought we were alright. Guess not when it's Illusion on that end of the stick and give him admin rights. Ever since you clarified with me what is considered baserape I've always tried my best to stay within those guidelines - and that's why I asked, to keep something like this from happening. I mostly play by my rule of thumb - until they reach their closest flag unless they fire out first. Ozost, Campground, and Hyeproud as well, we're all on the same page, we're just there to have some fun and fly some helicopters, we don't want any trouble.
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Post by illusion on Dec 21, 2014 20:59:35 GMT
I certainly hope I'll be heard out.....
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Post by Admin on Dec 22, 2014 0:43:16 GMT
Illusions, i woulda sent you this msg privately to you but i can't since you posted as a guest, so ill say it here. Theres no way that all the claims and reports about you are lies, you are doing something as admin that is disrupting the server and making other players frustrated to the point they have to come here, make an account and write whole essays about admin abuse, im not saying i believe everything they're saying, but i do believe some of it has to be true. Everything they said matches up with what i found on chat logs as well. If you were doing a good job admining i highly doubt i would have people wasting so much time just to come here and complain about admin abuse and your name is the only name being brought up. Let this be your warning, dont let your name keep coming up please or i will be forced to find new and more mature admins.
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Post by illusion on Dec 22, 2014 1:11:06 GMT
Who else has complained about admin abuse? And I mean legit admin abuse, not some of the trolls I see on PT who break rules and then get punished for it (not referring to this incident.) You say you would've sent this message personally to me, but that would imply that you contact me when you hear about issues. If I've been doing something wrong, why is this my first time hearing about it. It seems the biggest problem here was two different understandings of where the base line is. With all the other PT players that I play with (Extantify, Slotted, Chosen, etc.) our understanding of base is behind the infantry line, meaning if its out of bounds for the enemy team then it's considered base. The exception of course is if someone is shooting out, then you can engage them at that exact moment.
When I shot them at Echo, I was on the shore line near A. If I had shot and missed and they turned right around and killed me, that's fair game. However, they came back a minute or two after shooting them over at Echo where me and chosen were sitting in our tanks. Whether Chosen fired a shot at them or not (referring to the one they said whizzed past them, prompting them to come over to where we were) I have no idea, you'd have to ask him. However, I have it recorded showing I didn't fire a single shot when they came in and killed Chosen and I. I was already over it a few minutes after it all occurred but all throughout the round they were leaving sarcastic remarks in chat every few minutes.
I have never had a problem with Midnight or Ozost and as they stated we fly helicopters against them occasionally, this was the first disagreement we've had. I totally understand if they have been told something other than what I know as the base line. That being said, one of their points is based on that shot that whizzed past them. They don't have proof that I shot and no matter how many times I told them it wasn't me, they disagreed. Chosen will confirm all of this if you ask him, and I've showed the footage to Slotted as well. It seems that being an admin on PT means you're guilty until proven innocent, which is not cool whatsoever. If you get complaints about me, let me know, I can't read minds and I don't visit the forums unless something like this happens and I'm made aware of it.
Coming into this, I thought this was the first complaint of admin abuse against me, but apparently that's not the case. I don't care who I play with that's been associated with admin abuse in the past, you have to take a majority of the complaints with a grain of salt. By that I'm talking about the randoms, this is a legitimate complaints that I'm trying to address because I feel it's worth it to do so. I don't even know who the admin is I'm addressing here. I hope I've answered any questions that might need to be addressed and if you're not happy with me being an admin, we can talk further. But if they're ok with moving past this and the admin is pleased, let's get back to playing.
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Post by Midnight on Dec 22, 2014 1:40:44 GMT
Alright first off, when you shot me the first time, we went for you FIRST when we spawned seconds later, so it was less than a minute later, and you claimed that that was baserape even after you killed us from your base seconds before. The second time - about 2-3 minutes later - a tank shell shot right past me from the same spot when I took the exact same path, and when I came back around to kill them, it was you and chosenone right next to each other, firing at A flag for easy kills and where you couldn't get flanked unless it was by me. The AA could not shoot me, both because I was not in range and there was a building on your left, the one specifically between A flag and the helicopter deployment building. Then you proceeded to admin kill the both of us. And later on, simply "discussing" the incident as unreasonable was considered spamming the chat to you and gave you the right to kick us from the server.
I'm not gonna lie and say I didn't say anything mean - I didn't at first - but I got frustrated as time went on and you failing to realize that I didn't do anything wrong, following the server rules that I was explained, it was you against the 4 of us. Chosenone didn't even claim baserape, but since you have admin rights, that gives you the right to claim that as baserape? And even try and bend the rules or even make some up on-the-spot to make it sound like you were a victim? I knew it wasn't baserape because I confirmed with the admin on this site where that line is. Myself and every gunner I play with always respect the baserape rule on every server.
As far as any other admin abuse against Illusion besides this goes, I'm not aware of it. I got Ozost to post on this as well since he was my gunner at the time and since I didn't have video proof, but chat logs and accurate statements were about all the proof I needed. I know I wasn't banned, so I'm not too upset about it, but it was a situation that was taken the wrong way, didn't need to happen, and needed to be addressed with other admins and higher ranked members. All I ask is this be discussed between the two of you and that something like this should not ever happen again. As many accurate admin abuse accusations as PT has had, and with chat logs lining up with our statements, it can't be too hard to get abusive admins stripped of their authority.
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Post by Admin on Dec 22, 2014 2:03:43 GMT
Guys pls...I'm not in the mood to read a book, i just want people to get along and if there is any admin abuse going on i want to stop now. Lets be clear on something, its not against the rules to fly into enemy base, what's against the rules is to shoot anything inside enemy lines. And i will make this clear now, whether its considered a new rule or not, the "pilot chooses gunner rule" applies to EVERYONE, i don't care if you are in PT or not, if you are the pilot, you have the right to choose your gunner, it does not matter if the gunner a PT member or not, get the hell out of the heli if the pilot is asking you to do so, so consider it a new rule if you did not so already.
And some advice to both regulars and admins, if you have a problem with something, please record it, get ShadowPlay if you don't already have it. This whole "he said, she said" discussions is a waste of time and the person its going to hurt most is the admins, so admins should have shadowplay or something else and record problematic moments in-case you get reported for admin abuse.
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Post by Midnight on Dec 23, 2014 22:20:20 GMT
We didn't have any issues with gunner selection or disobedience - the kick, the false baserape accusations, and the unnecessary admin kills were the issues.
But the funny thing that I also find odd is, if they had the only 2 deploy-able tanks (chosenone and Illusion), the only other tank they could have gotten for their team was if they had A flag, I don't think they did, I could be wrong, but if they did, that gives them a 1/3 chance that it wasn't one of them that fired the 2nd tank shell at us. And I didn't see another enemy tank after I killed the two of them. Granted, I was admin killed within seconds of the 2nd kill on them, but I didn't see any other enemy tanks.
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Post by Admin on Dec 24, 2014 0:06:02 GMT
Midnight and any other person out there having problems with admins on the server i really suggest you guys get some recording software such as shadowplay that lets you hit a button and it will retrieve the last 1-10mins of footage even tho you weren't recording, and record when stuff like this happens, ill be more than happy to make some new admins for the server because im quite fed up with the complaints about admin abuse, but all you can come here and talk about is an incident here and there with no video proof, im not taking anyones side on this matter, i just want to see what really happened instead of me having to read a "he said, she said" discussion. With video proof of admin abuse you don't even have to explain anything, just send me the link of the video, the problem admin will be immediately removed, new admin added and case closed, see how simple that works? but all i can see right now is essays upon essays of complaints from both sides. You gotta think of it like catching pokemon, these "badmins" are rare pokemon, and ShadowPlay is like a Master-ball, you throw it once and its going to catch that pokemon thats been eluding you for the longest time, hope that makes sense  good luck on your quest young Ash. |
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Post by Midnight on Dec 24, 2014 0:27:24 GMT
Well by now you should know I'm not making things up, less than a month ago, when that guy was shooting me out of the heli within the first 3 bullets across the map, looked him up, prior ban for aimbot. And our statements lining up with what was found in the chat logs.
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Post by Admin on Dec 24, 2014 0:34:53 GMT
ShadowPlay, get it.
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Post by Midnight on Dec 24, 2014 1:44:09 GMT
I have it, I just don't use it, I get terrible frames when I have it on. I'm getting a 970 tomorrow so hopefully I can max out BF4, run ShadowPlay in the background and not have to suffer much of a frame drop.
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Post by Admin on Dec 24, 2014 4:37:46 GMT
I'm actually glad to hear that congrats, one day ill have one too  |
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good luck on your quest young Ash.